<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5109261386311958173</id><updated>2011-04-21T13:53:59.222-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Babel Programming</title><subtitle type='html'></subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://babel-programming.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5109261386311958173/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://babel-programming.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>semmelweis</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>1</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5109261386311958173.post-8395423950295453478</id><published>2008-02-02T03:14:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-02-02T03:46:41.895-08:00</updated><title type='text'>The TIOBE index is meaningless</title><content type='html'>The &lt;a href="http://www.tiobe.com/index.htm?tiobe_index"&gt;TIOBE index&lt;/a&gt; ranks programming languages.  It claims to be based "on the world-wide availability of skilled engineers, courses and third party vendors".  But how can they reliably and automatically mine such infomration using just search engine results?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Actually, not only is their data not very reliable, but it is also prone to "spamming", because search engines are!  And this is why we see a totally obscure experimental Forth-like language such as "Factor" get in the top 50.  There is only one explanation: the TIOBE index is simply a combination of the number of results of some search queries at major search engines;  as a handful of persons regularly post articles about Factor at social bookmarking sites such as Reddit or at Wikipedia, this artificially inflates their position.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The other explanation is that Factor is legitimately getting a lot of web attention.  But that's absurd, since it doesn't deserve any serious attention.  I mean, it is on the same level as Brainfuck.  Brainfuck is interesting to programming language geeks.  Factor can be interesting to Forth geeks, or compilation geeks.  But that's not what TIOBE is about.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the real world, there is no Factor.  It is just a virtually unknown obscure experimental language with a small fandom that managed to get into a mostly meaningless index.  You want proof?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is not a single scholarly article about it, not a single PhD about it, actually not a single known application written in Factor, no single school giving courses in Factor; in fact, Factor isn't even in the Debian distribution, while Brainfuck, which is also an obscure language, is.  How many persons in the world are paid to write Factor code?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But then it could be that Factor is the language of the future, and TIOBE is very good at picking languages of the future?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems that TIOBE is just very good at picking spamming effort.  Consider the following important languages, which are not in the top 50.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let's show that the rankings at the TIOBE index do not map to language importance according to any criteria other than web hype:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;VHDL, an industry-standard hardware description language, is not even in the top 50.  Verilog isn't even mentioned on the TIOBE page.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Ocaml is a well-known, academically developed state-of-the art functional language that has been around for ten years (and much more if you count its direct ancestor Caml).  Typing &lt;span style="font-family: courier new;"&gt;ocaml OR "objective caml" OR caml&lt;/span&gt; at Google scholar returns about &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;ten thousand&lt;/span&gt; results.  Ocaml is also used as a language in 173 Debian packages, of which 40 are end-user applications (i.e., not dependencies).  Ocaml has thousands of users, is teached at hundreds of schools, and has Intel, Dassault Systems and Microsoft in its consortium.  F# is an Ocaml derivative for .NET.  Yet, Ocaml is not in the top 50, while the obscure Factor is.   This simply means that the TIOBE metric is absolutely meaningless.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Actually there is an ML at position 42, but which ML is that?  SML?  XML?  HTML?  YaML?  But that doesn't include Ocaml, since it's mentioned elsewhere.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;Languages which legitimately have buzz around them include Scala, which is academically developed, and has many posts about it at Reddit.  Still not in top 50.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The other languages cited in the top 50 are usually vendor-specific languages of products that have some momentum; for many of those languages, knowledge of the language is indistinguishable from knowledge of the particular software product.  And what the hell is &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;PL fucking I&lt;/span&gt; doing in a 2008 list of the top 50 languages?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, while obscure experimental languages and vendor-specific scripting frameworks clutter the top 50 list, industrially and academically important real-world languages such as VHDL, Verilog or Ocaml are relegated to the end or not mentioned at all.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5109261386311958173-8395423950295453478?l=babel-programming.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://babel-programming.blogspot.com/feeds/8395423950295453478/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5109261386311958173&amp;postID=8395423950295453478' title='8 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5109261386311958173/posts/default/8395423950295453478'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5109261386311958173/posts/default/8395423950295453478'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://babel-programming.blogspot.com/2008/02/tiobe-index-is-meaningless.html' title='The TIOBE index is meaningless'/><author><name>semmelweis</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>8</thr:total></entry></feed>
